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    Dice Control Seminars - Testimonials from Students of the Golden Touch™™
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[After every Golden Touch Craps class we ask students for their feedback. Here are just some of the comments from them. Except where indicated, we have used the student’s real name and hometown.]


Recipe for Success-Our Vegas Class
Mix together:
1 - No Field Five, keep your wrist straight
1 - Nick T-Lefty, get some height on those dice, 45"
1 - Pit Boss, up on one foot, good triangle
1 - Satch, line up the dice with the lines on the table
1 - Ace-Ten, slow down forward swing so dice dont come in flat
1 - Stickman, keep body and shoulder in once place, only move arm as a pendulum
1 - Billy the Kid, play blackjack as a break from craps
1- Mr. Finesse, let it go

Sprinkle a pinch of Frank trust the shot, do not give the dice more energy than they need and dash of Dom, become an advantage player
Stir in a bit of Missouri Rick, Skinny and Randman.
Then: PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE.
You will have the best opportunity for this recipe to become a success!
I just wanted to take a minute to thank all of the instructors and fellow students that took the GTC class in Vegas last month.
I cant say enough about the value of the education and hands on instruction from each and instructor.
Golden Buckeye (formerly Mr. Buckeye) and I went out to the casinos late afternoon on Sunday. It was the first time since taking up controlled shooting that we walked away with money, enough to pay for one of our class fees.
Golden Buckeye rolled first, and came away with a 27, making 7 points, the 6 & 8 twice each. I followed immediately with a 25, my first 8 rolls were 6, 6, 8, 8,8,8 (hard), 6 (hard) 8. I thought I was dreaming, but I then realized that I felt dream-like because I was able to shut out all the other distractions and focus on my throw. This was the real deal. The rest of the weekend when equally well, we didnt have any rolls that were not in the twenties.
We are really looking forward to continuing this path, and are looking forward to the refresher class next year.
Thank you all again for everything, it was a true pleasure to meet such a fine group of people.

Buckeye


I just have 1 word for our full craps table: WOW!!!

The crate sat in my garage, the big pieces in the box. We removed the small items right away, but as I said before, we could not get the 2 big horse shoe pieces down into my basement.

Fortunately, I have an unused workshop in the back of my house. It was not heated or cooled, but now I did buy a nice heater for it. Later, I will install an Air Conditioning unit.

It took us a week to figure out how to solve the "table too big" problem, but once I decided to fix up the workshop, it only took about 2 hours to assemble the table!!!

What a genius you are for the easy table, Dom!!! I was afraid it would be your typical engineering nightmare to figure out the assembly. Not at all!

I'm even more excited now about the classes in Tunica!!!

If anyone is interested in your table, I can certainly vouch for it!

Thanks

Dale C


Your Seminar I took this weekend was one of the best Training Seminars that I ever took. There was never a dull minute throughout the entire Seminar. You guys mentioned before and during the Seminar, that the GTC instructors were the best in craps. They were every bit of that statement plus some. They were Superior. I want to say that every one of them had the best personality of any instructors that I ever had. They had an attitude like they want us to be as good as them. All of us got personal training from them. From this class, we got a message from You and Frank, that you really want all of us to be good Crap Players.

You and Frank are two class guys.

Don M.
VA


Thanks Dom for the advice... What a great group of GTC instructors you have on board!!!! I am proud to be associated with the GTC organization.

Mark


Hi Dom and Frank:

Thanks again for a great craps class session! Each and every instructor gave their honest and expert advice for the perfect throw. It really showed that the instructors are passionate about Golden Touch and the game of craps. I mentioned to John that learning from Frank and you were like getting lessons from Mickey Mantel in baseball or Tiger Woods in golf. What an awesome experience for the both of us!!!! My goal is to practice 200 rolls per day and maybe someday join the Golden Touch team!!!! John and I both hit 30-35 number rolls which paid for the classes this weekend. What a great way to end the perfect weekend and coming in third place in the no sevens contest. When I arrived back home, my wife and I were evacuated due to the fires here in San Diego and a 50 ft fire ball came a few blocks from our home. Luckily our home was saved but some of our neighbors were not so lucky. The key is to live life to its fullest because shit happens!!! Let me know when our table is ready to ship. See you next year at the refresher course!!!

Respectfully, M W


I picked up three excellent pointers, one of which I had never even dreamed of! By the end of Day 1 I noticed major improvement – more improvement expected after practice. I’ve played for a number of years and wish I’d discovered this years ago. I’d recommend [this course] to all players who are serious.

Walt Cherry
Laughlin, NV

I’m glad I took the class! I have changed my grip and will improve the angle of my toss. The teachers were great!

David Hirai
Hacienda Heights, CA


Intense two days. Great job! Well done Frank, Dom and Howard. The course is well organized and very professional. I recommend this course to all serious players. This course has it all. Easy to read textbooks that are well written, hands on, with a real casino environment simulation and a wealth of knowledge to bring home and practice, practice, practice. Thank you!

Mike Campagna
Williamsville, NY


The small size of the class was outstanding with a lot of one-on-one assistance. Working with three different instructors made the learning process an eye-opening experience. If one instructor couldn’t give you the correct mental image of the feel, one of the others could. Realistic expectations were emphasized and all questions were answered in depth. Throwing on actual tables really assisted in the learning process as well as the “real life” casino experience. All the major elements were covered, including money management, betting and the mental side of the game. The class was designed around the needs and expectations of the students. I would highly recommend this class to anyone interested in learning or improving a controlled dice throw.

Ron Yee
Dearborn Heights, MI


Great class, both informative and fun. The refinement made to my grip and delivery will pay huge dividends in the future. Some of the small insights and secrets were very enlightening. The small class and all the one-on-one training made all the difference. Come to the training and be confident that you will learn!

Cal P.A.
Corona, CA


I took the Golden Touch Gold Chip plus package in Las Vegas and I have to say it was worth five times as much as I paid. The instructors were fantastic. Doing hands-on with Mr. Finesse, Dominator, Billy the Kid and Frank Scoblete was a thrilling learning experience. I recommend this course to anyone who has an interest in beating the game of craps.

M. Levine
Whippany, NJ


This class was worth the time and the money. The learning curve just took a big step in the right direction!

Doug Beek
Byron Center, MI


I was looking for a non-BS class and I found it. It was outstanding. Frank [Scoblete], Sharpshooter and the coaches were great. They were all so extremely knowledgeable and knew how to convey their knowledge and skills to the students. It was good having lecture/practice/lecture/practice, etc. Sometimes you can get tired sitting or throwing for long periods and the lecture/practice timeline was great. It was outstanding and I will recommend it to everyone – and wear my "crapsclub.com" tee shirt as well!

Steve Fixler
Radcliff, KY

This is my third craps class and it by far exceeds those other classes. The time spent with the coaches in improving my performance was more than I expected. The lectures were informative and provided valuable information and methods for improving my dice control and craps game. Listening to Frank [Scoblete] is a treat that I looked forward to after all these years of reading his books and articles. He did not disappoint. I recommend this class to anyone who is serious about playing craps and taking money from the casinos.

"Barbara"
Itasca, IL


The GTC organization is doing gamblers a great service.

Mark Bolton
Grove City, OH


You have a wonderful, fun, lighthearted team of instructors who really go the distance to help people feel welcome and comfortable. The instruction was professional and well organized, and always interesting. Overall GTC is fantastic and worth every bit of the travel, preparation and money. I highly recommend it because you really can’t get good without the hands-on.

Debbie Gray
Littleton, MA


Everything you guys are teaching is right on the money.

Richard Hoffman
Bellville, OH


I met a Golden Touch instructor who worked with me for 30 minutes. After seeing what 30 minutes could do for my game, I signed up for the entire course and am glad I did. The breakout sessions where the coaches went over what was just taught were just great. Howard "Rock ‘n Roll" Newman is a great coach. He has one of the nicest tosses I have seen and taught his students how to emulate it.

Darrell R. Dowd
Jefferson City, MO


Howard Newman is a great instructor. I had some mechanical problems and needed to know what I was doing right and what I was doing wrong. He was able to get me right on track. Sharpshooter gave me a tip which will serve me very well. He showed me how to rock the dice since they felt like they were separating on me. It works. I now know I have a good grip and am trying to teach myself to use this as a trigger to remember to exhale and also relax my grip immediately before releasing the dice.

Mary Dowd
Jefferson City, MO


What a great class! I’m so excited about the things I learned. A good mixture of mechanics and down-to-earth money-management and betting tips. Thank you all for the effort you put in.

Conrad McCarthy
Tallahassee, FL


Everybody was great. The class was the best. I don’t think you could have done better – perfect!

James Bradley
Diamondhead, MS

Great weekend, great facility, and above all, great instruction. This weekend has enabled me to use the 8 elements of dice control to my advantage.

Chip & Dip
Humboldt, TN


I was a little skeptical about the claims, decided at the last moment to attend. After using the [methods] my confidence has increased ten-fold. It also helped that I made quite a bit of money Saturday and Sunday. I would strongly recommend this class to anyone with an interest in improving their odds.

Bob Wilson
Memphis, TN


This class was absolutely great and worth much more than what it cost. Playing the way I have played for the past few years has cost me 20 times what it cost me to take this class. The instructors were all excellent and the format was excellent. You had short lectures followed by intensive one-on-one instruction with your coach in what had just been taught. This way, you didn’t move on to another skill or topic until you had grasped what came before. If you are looking to take your game from the red to the black, GTC is the only way to go!

Thomas Kyle
Brooklyn, NY


The class was fantastic. I feel very lucky to have been able to get one-on-one instruction from the foremost experts in craps. Leaving this class today, I know I have the knowledge to be successful in craps. I just have to put in the practice time.

Matt Hale
Tallahassee, FL


Received lots of one-on-one attention; showed improvement and learned quite a bit. Time well spent. The instructors really cared.

Mark Stevenson
Lockport, IL


I knew I would learn a lot in this class from Frank Scoblete, Dominator, Sharpshooter and the coaches and I did. They were all great. But what I didn’t count on was how much fun this class would be. It was a lot of hard work but I enjoyed the presentations of the teachers and my interaction with the coaches. This course is the real deal taught by the real experts. If I have to give other players advice, it is this: there are a lot of self-proclaimed experts saying they can teach and do dice control, but Golden Touch has the experts. It was a pleasure to watch them play in the casinos and actually do what they say they can do!

Jim Bateman
Memphis, TN


I got much more than I ever expected out of this class. Having attended classes with other dice teachers, I thought I knew what to expect. I was wrong. Golden Touch is miles ahead of the other dice teachers I have been with because these people really have beautiful shots and they are true students of the game who know how to teach. There wasn’t a minute of wasted time. I would recommend this class to anyone who wants to beat the casinos. It was worth every penny I paid and then some!

Bill Gibson
Nashville, TN


I appreciated the honesty, professionalism, and the direct approach.

Gunny
Germantown, TN


I enjoyed being able to watch different coaches throw. The course is very well done, very professional.

Stanalee Jacobs
Pittsburg, KS


I would like to have taken this course 20 years ago.

Carl Compton
Lamar, MO


I see the game with a great deal more clarity. Glad I came. I appreciate Mr. Finesse greatly. He is so skilled and smart.

Margie
Kansas City, KS


I was very impressed with the friendliness and helpful comments from all the coaches of GTC. I was very nervous at first being in a room with some of the greatest craps players in the world. But I was quickly put at ease by everyone and soon began to feel like an equal, not like experts talking down to inferiors. I feel I have gained a wealth of knowledge and it is up to me to decide how far I can take it.

Jim P.
Medford, OK


Mr. Finesse’s hands-on practice was priceless. You can’t get this from a book. You really worked out butts off.

William M. Sellers
Columbus, GA


I was very impressed! The class was well organized and very professional. It was very obvious that a lot of time and thought went into its development. It was also obvious that the Golden Touch team really cared about us as individual students. There was a lot of hands on!

Lani
Columbia, TN


This course is no joke. These guys can and will improve your game. When I started this course I had been playing craps for four years. My game sucked. After two days with the instructors in this course I had a one-hour roll. They were able to find my problems and help me work them out. If you are serious about craps then this crew can and will improve your game.

Lynn "the Rock" Tryon
Bradford, AR


Hi Dom:

Call it a boot camp or fantasy camp for dice players, either way I had a marvelous time attending your seminar in Chicago. It met all of my expectations for an entertaining, informative and educational weekend. Your course takes all of the principles in your books and drives them home in a way nothing on a printed page can. You can count on me to attend a refresher course somewhere down the road—maybe the next time you’re in Chicago in ’07.

I found all of your instructors to be cordial and quite helpful, critical when they had to be, yet encouraging and supportive. You and Frank were excellent, leading the discussion. And, of course, the hands-on time you gave us was the most valuable of all. Plain and simple, I got my money’s worth!

By the way, you and Frank talked about how the course would remove the “fun” element of gambling from here on out. Well, if you consider “fun” to be playing the games ignorantly, using sloppy technique, making unwise bets and generally playing right into the hands of the casino, then I guess I will miss the “fun” part of gambling. To me, giving yourself a fighting chance to be an advantage player is worth the time and expense of your course and the effort of practicing your principles afterwards. A positive effect on your bankroll—that’s what I consider to be the real “fun” of gambling.

My dice playing buddy was going to be attending the course with me this year when his daughter’s college schedule intervened. “Dad’s Weekend” at the University of Iowa happened to be the same time as your seminar (the nerve of them in Iowa City!). So he missed out. Chances are, he and I will be signing up together next year. We’re looking forward to it already.

Thanks, again, for a great time. Gotta go practice now.

Rick O'Dell
Chicago, IL


 

Comments on the Web from our students:

[The following posts appeared on various websites and were made by students who took our courses.]

From Debbie Gray on DICE List Server:

Hi everyone,

I was a rank beginner when I arrived in Tunica.  As Frank Scoblete lovingly put it, "She stunk!"  Even though I had read and re-read a few craps books and had practiced an hour every night for about 3 weeks before Tunica, nothing helped me like the hands-on practice sessions with expert critiques. 

Well, by the end of our second day of class, I had people on my team remarking that they wanted to bet on my rolls.  Not only was I flattered but it gives you an idea of how much improvement a shooter can have with the proper teaching.  Also, the night of our second class, in about a ½ hour at the tables I hit 4 come-out 7’s and 6 point numbers (or something like that).  I was shocked!

Also, my team and coach Howard R&R Newman were so friendly and helpful that I was able to relax and have a lot of laughs with them, and eventually my rolls improved as a result.  I was initially a little intimidated and can be shy in big groups, but I felt by the end of the weekend GTC brought out the best in me all around.  Imagine a shy person giving Frank "noogies".

All in all, I felt this was a professional, approachable, well organized group of teachers that covered the issues that a shooter needs to know. 

I highly recommend the 2-day class—it will be a quantum leap in your skills and knowledge.

See you at the tables,
Debbie Gray



From Tommy Lohrke on DICE List Server:

I just returned from the Tunica class, and I want to post my reaction.  It was great!  I would recommend this course to anyone who wants to improve their shooting and dice play in general.

I went to the class with low expectations [about improving myself] because I had read several of Frank Scoblete’s books and Sharpshooter’s book, had built a throwing station, purchased a [practice] box, and had been practicing every day for about three months.  I was wrong. 

I learned a lot.  Specifically, I learned the proper way to toss the dice, which was different than what I had been practicing.  My toss definitely improved because of the class, but more importantly, I now know what to practice, and what it feels like to throw properly.

A special thanks to my personal instructors Billy the Kid, Jake, and Mr. Finesse.  Also, thanks to Sharpshooter.  All three gave me valuable insights into the corrections I needed to make, and all helped me immensely to improve my throw. 

Dominator, Dr. McCall, Frank Scoblete, and Sharpshooter all gave very informative presentations.   

The small group and one-on-one instructions from our personal coaches during the breakout sessions were equally fantastic.  There were many pieces of wisdom given during the class, but the one that sticks out in my mind was Frank Scoblete’s comment that even though we may leave the class and have a few great rolls, we should not fall into the trap of thinking that we are better shooters than we really are - we are not precision shooters until we practice, practice, practice!  

I took this advice to heart, and even though I had several rolls in the 13-21 ranges after the class (and also my share of point-7 outs), each hitting several hardways, I only bet the pass line on myself. 

I have made a personal decision to only bet minimally on myself, and only after I make the 5-Count, until I have practiced daily for at least three months and have confidence in the consistency and signature of my shooting.

I was also impressed that the instructors played openly at Sam’s Town, and other neighboring casinos, several evenings during and after the time that the class was offered.  I, and several other students, joined the tables where they were playing, and although we deferred the SL and SR positions to the instructors, they moved back and allowed those students who wanted to shoot.  It was definitely an additional education to watch these fellows shoot, and to receive constructive feedback on our own in-casino shooting.



From Mykey Bowes on DICE List Server:

I just returned home from Tunica Miss. after attending my first dice setting class.  Before attending I was undecided about going, I didn’t know if I would learn anything. First let me say the classes were well organized and started on time. I am very glad I attended; I definitely learned a lot and would do it again in a minute.

This Parr network and GTC are the best way to up your game. My coach "Tenor" got me to switch from SR to SL and smoothed out my throw. The first two days I was 200 dollars up betting on myself and other class members. Monday night I lost but only because I let my discipline slip and bet on random shooters. Also the beer was free, go figure.

I had several decent rolls of 15 or so numbers. One class member I called the "Rock" had a solid one hour roll Sunday morning, which I personally observed 20 minutes of. He was definitely in the zone. Another group member "Mac" was very excited about several nice rolls he had at Harrah’s casino, "Memphis Richard", Texas Mike, and D.B. cooper all tuned their up their tosses.

Another classmate had two rolls where he won several thousand dollars, although he did tell me that he had some nice rolls in the past, but never just a few days apart. The Word Slayer had a nice toss as did his wife, she has a very light touch.

I want to thank "Tenor" and all the coaches for their time and energy, they are definitely not doing these classes for the money. They have to be doing it because they want to pass their skills to people who want to learn them. Scoblete, Sharpshooter, Dominator all gave good lectures.

Hope this isn’t too long winded, I definitely improved my toss with this class. It was very nice to meet other like-minded people in the class.



From Darrel Dowd on the DICE List Server:

My wife, Mary, and I just got back from the most intensive four days of instructions either one of us have ever received. The coaches, especially Howard "Rock ‘n’ Roller" Newman, helped me improve my toss immensely.

The real success story was Mary. In four days they took her from almost no controlled shooting to a better craps shooter than I am right now. I am going to have to work and practice hard just to get were she is now.

I had not attended any of the PARR Seminars so I do not have a baseline to evaluate how the GTC course is different. I did hear comments from the students who had attended PARR Seminars that Tunica was more intense with more hands on with the coaches. They would instruct on a point, and we would have a breakout session with our coach to go over what was just taught.

I can and will comment on the Dynamic Dimensions session. All I will say about what Sharpshooter taught is that he has taken the control in the game of craps to a higher level. After his instruction, we went to a breakout session with our coaches to go over what Sharpshooter had taught. After practicing, each student had a one one-on-one with Sharpshooter for his critique and suggestions on what and how to practice. Thank you Sharpshooter!

From the comments I heard and what I personally experienced, attending a GTC Seminar even if you have been to a PARR seminar would be a good idea.

If you are serious are controlled shooter and want to take your game to the next level; run, don’t walk, to the next Dynamic Dimensions class!

Mary and I are pumped about the future of our craps game. I apologize if this sounds like a commercial, but this is the way we feel.

A big thanks to all who helped us on our journey to our ultimate goal of perfection.



From Bill Dripchak on the DICE List Server:

Just wanted to comment on the Tunica GTC seminars as I have been to a Parr seminar. My first and only Parr weekend was in Las Vegas about 2 ½ years ago with Sharpshooter, Larry Edell and Robin Frost in a small room at the Mardi Gras motel. The first day was presentations and off to dealer school. Then out to casinos at night in loose groups with no coach. The next day was a short recap and we were done. In the time since that first introduction, Parr added coaches and more structure with better interactions with students.

After reading about the great things that had been happening over the years, I decided to go to another Parr class last November in AC (but my wife had other plans) and again in LV this past winter (again other plans). Then Tunica came up with the GTC approach and I am very glad to have gone to this! What a difference! 

Not only do you have Sharpshooter giving presentations, but Frank Scoblete with his New York wit (and lack of political correctness) along with Dominator’s experiences were very informative as well as entertaining. There were several chances to listen to a lecture/talk and then get up and walk back to one of 11 throwing stations set out around a full size craps table to practice the concepts. With many GTC coaches there, the student ratio was 4 or 5 to 1. And if a person was still having trouble after the first half hour of instruction, another coach might jump in to show the method in a different way/light. Then the one-on-one with Sharpshooter was great. Each group of four would go to the central table and spend about 30 minutes with him as each was seen and evaluated. His style and instruction methods have become more relaxed and he easily conveys his thoughts so that everyone understood. (I forgot all my physics courses a long time ago!)

The Friday session was a good introduction but the meat of the whole thing was the Saturday and Sunday. We even got to the point of getting tired due to so much practice tossing! Unfortunately, I did not go to the Monday session [Dynamic Dimensions] as it was scheduled after my reservations had already been made.

The adjustments that I made to my throw and grip that were suggested to me by my coach Howard (Mr. Rock ‘n Roll) allowed me to last longer in my turns. There were at least four lab/practice sessions so that we could practice.  As such when I did go out Saturday and Sunday night, my bankroll went up not down and I had a lot more confidence in my throw.  I have also added discipline to my playing to eliminate 57% of the Chicken Feeders through 5-count. IT ACTUALLY WORKS!

Also, the addition of Dr. Richard McCall as a presenter was very impressive. His thoughts and ideas on breathing and controlling yourself at the tables to calm your nerves and find that inner peace were great.

The other thing about this seminar was that the GTC staff was very giving of their time and very much into helping people progress. For some, it was like night unto day (like switching from SR to SL and having a 35 minute roll or from no toss Chicken Feeder to a graceful fully synchronized toss with many rolls) and for others it was some simple changes/adjustments that made the person a better dice player overall.

I did not expect to go out and play with the instructors. However, when I did see some of the coaches playing they were very willing to include students in the game and treat them as equals at the table.

Overall, I would say this was one of the most beneficial seminars that I have gone to for any type of information. And I have been to many for various different hobbies/business, etc. The combination of teaching, showing and lab work definitely made this a positive experience for me and I would strongly suggest that if you were thinking of attending... do it!



From Don Wheeler, the Word Slayer, on DICE List Server:

Hi Guys,

Jeane and I made it back from Tunica Last night, I don't know about everyone else but we are whipped. I am going to do the trip report and try to get everyone’s name in. Please forgive me if I miss anyone. This is going to be a long report so it may take a few emails.

This Email is about the Coaches

Dominator:

Dom, is an awesome player. Aggressive in his thinking at the craps table. Watching him go into his "Zone" before shooting is an amazing thing to see.  When we read his posts we see that he knows his stuff. At the craps tables we get to see that he knows he knows his stuff. No second guessing from the Dominator. Dom’s coaching style is cool; he instills a confidence in his students as he teaches them.

Frank Scoblete:

I guess I was more nervous about meeting Frank than anyone at the seminar. I would say Frank is always at home. He is comfortable in any surrounding. If he wasn’t an author or a speaker or a gambler or a great teacher, he could and would make a great stand-up comic. Frank worked as a roving coach at this seminar.  His insights were right on and when I saw his throw I was stunned at the amount of practice he has to have put in.  Frank’s a shooter! 

The 5-Count. I can say I tried it this weekend for the first time. It works! Even for a conservative  (one hit and down bettor), it works great!  I will get more into my observations of this later.

Ben McCall:

Ben has a very quiet demeanor. He takes his place in the seminar with his father’s program. I got to say the "cucumber cut" is awesome. But what was more awesome to me is how Ben takes it in stride.  I think Ben has a lot going on in his head, as does his father. One day I hope to be able to sit down and talk with them both.

Dr. Richard McCall:

This man has his Life Path laid out and planned. There is certainty in his every move and in his every word. The whole class watched his focus when doing the Cucumber Cut and listened to what he had to say. What is amazing to me is some of the things I could hear internally as he spoke.  He spoke of East and West mentalities and Jeane and I listened intensely to what he had to say.


Billy The Kid:

Billy is really cool to listen to; he has a solid voice and is a great coach.  Billy is sure in his thinking and he coaches [using] logic and physics. I could see that many of the things he learned through his own practice he was able to use in his coaching.

Street-Dog/ Buffalo Bill:

Bill is neat, despite his ever-changing handle. He is both quiet and loud. This guy is sure of his throw and himself. It was an honor to spend some time visiting with Billy. I watched as he coached his team and the way they improved.

Jerry "Stickman" Stich:

I didn't get to watch Jerry as much as I would have liked to this seminar, mostly because I met and watched him last year.  Jerry is a great guy. When he coaches he has a quiet demeanor and while he watched the physical part of the person’s grip and throw, he also watched the person.  He seems to get a feel for who is inside the person that he is teaching and feels for the bounds of what and how to say things so his words and teachings are better understood by each student.

Bob "Mr. Finesse" Convertito:

Bobby was Jeane's and my coach.  I want to thank him for his insight and time.  Mr. Finesse has a great skill for observation and explaining what he has observed. He can in my opinion tweak anyone’s throw and that is saying a lot. Thanks Mr. Finesse for helping us.

Daryl "No Field Five" Henley:

Daryl has quiet demeanor and an excellent throw. I got to spend a few minutes talking with him and watching him with his students. It was amazing to watch his mind shift gears as his students progressed. For me it was kind of like watching the steps going from stage one to stage 10 in a matter of minutes.  Daryl knows how to teach, as do all of these coaches.

Howard "Rock 'n Roll" Newman:

This guy could be intimidating if he wasn’t such a nice guy.  Howard’s toss is a thing of beauty and his ability to talk with the student and explain the whys and how things happen is great.  His instructions are easy to follow because he has an easy way of showing and explaining everything.  


Jake (Jake from Pitt):

I got to spend some time with Jake during the class and outside the class. Watching Jake with the students was great. He has a good memory of how we all start out and struggle with the ups and downs.  Those memories are things that I think many long-time shooters forget; yet the memory of them is needed to help new shooters overcome the mental blocks that come to us. I watched him work with one student that was having a grip problem. Jake was able to explain what was going on and help this student overcome the problem in quick order. It was an honor to meet and watch you Jake : )

Randy "Tenor" Rowsey:

I watched this tall man observe and teach from above.  One of the things I saw that he and most of the coaches were able to help the students with was what I call the double clutch (jerking or forcing) in the pendulum swing. I didn’t get to watch Tenor as much as I would have liked to coaching but I can say he has a beautiful throw. I would have loved to hear his singing voice that I have heard so much about.

Wild Bill Burton:

I am sorry that I did not get to see Bill coaching. I know from watching the rest of the group that if you are part of GTC's coaching team you got my vote! I thought about purchasing your book Get the Edge at Low-Limit Texas Hold’Em but I am going to wait and only play craps till I have built the bankroll I think that is needed to play other games.

Sharpshooter:

Meeting Sharpshooter was great!    I actually felt like I knew him from reading his books and viewing his video so many times that I needed a new VCR.  I don't need to mention to anyone how well Sharpshooter handles the dice. Watching his grip and adjustments with the fingers and thumb has always drawn my attention.  I continue to strive to replicate his style and skill level. I watched him as he worked with each student in the seminar; his observations were always amazing.  All of us dice shooters owe you a lot.  Thank you.


Jeane and I were able to spend time with some of the students and help them with their grips and throws as well. We really enjoyed doing this and hope that some were able to benefit from it.

My next post will be more about the seminar itself, again I will try to remember names, and please understand that everything that I write is just from my viewpoint.

Thanks for reading......... Now on to Part two.

Don



Word Slayer on DICE, Part 2

Jeane and I got to the Sam’s Town Casino the night before the seminar, 3pm March 13th, and after getting our room and a few hours of well-needed rest we headed down to check out the casino.

I saw Dr Richard McCall in the hotel lobby with his son Ben. They were checking into their room. I decided to go over to say hi.

"Hi Dr. McCall, I'm Don Wheeler, it's very nice to meet you," I said with my hand stretched out.

Dr. McCall looked down at me on my scooter with a big smile and said, "Hi Don."  He reached out and shook my hand with a nice firm grip.  "You ready to go play some craps?"

I was dumbstruck. "Ummmm, when?"

I couldn't believe this guy just asked me to go play craps with him. I was totally nervous.  He is a warrior who has made over a million at this game just targeting the sevens! My mind was racing.

Dr. McCall responded, "Anytime. Now."  (This guy loves the game!  Heck he was still checking into his room!)

I had to think because I was blown away and excited from meeting this man, then to have him ask me if I wanted to play craps with him.  I responded, "No I am tired and need to go get something to eat." 

(Please understand as you read all this that I have been rereading all the books I have, one by Dr. McCall, one by Sharpshooter and a couple by Frank Scoblete. I have been reviewing the PARR archives and reading all Dominator’s posts, and the posts by many of the other coaches and students.  I read them for the information and reread them to try to get a feel of the people I would be meeting.)

Jeane made it down from the room and we headed to Bally’s, checked out their 25-cent table and then went and got member cards. We didn’t play at all. We went there because they give you a free buffet when you get your member’s card.  Took about an hour to get into the buffet but the food was great, we then headed back to Sam’s Town. (Protect your bank and use the free comps offered! )

We got back to Sam’s Town. I wanted to know where the seminar was to be held so we wouldn’t be late in the morning. (I hate to be late ).

The first place I asked was the hotel front desk. He said, "Sorry, sir, can you tell me when this seminar is to be held?" I found that interesting since I got the special Sharpshooter room deal and the people at the hotel didn't have a clue about the seminar's location!

Next we made our way down to the craps tables and asked the pit boss. He didn’t have a clue of what I was talking about.  This was almost laughable because of all the people posting worries on how the casinos would be watching.

I didn’t get any answers yet. Put my scooter in high gear and started riding around and asked Security. They called their boss. The Security hadn’t heard of the seminar either.   Then the Security person called the Casino Host. BINGO! She told me that the seminar was going to be held in the Delta room.

Jeane and I made our way around and found where the seminars (four days) were to be held.  Frank, Dom, Jerry Stitch, Street-Dog and Mr. Finesse and more. All the coaches were in the Delta Room having a GTC meeting. (Sorry guys for interrupting.) I got to say this is an impressive group of coaches.

We left the coaches to their business and Jeane and I made our way back to the craps table. Jeane played for a while and I watched. I had no intention of playing for the first day or so because I new I would be stiff.  While watching Jeane shoot I noticed a tall older man shooting from SL 2 with an amazingly consistent throw. (Big Jay, AKA Fingers) A PARR veteran shooter.  His dice would land close to the back wall and just kiss the rubber and die.

Jeane stayed at the table for a while and I went back up to the room and tried to get some more rest, I could lie down but not sleep.  After about an hour I got one of the books I brought and started reading.  I was really excited and keyed up.

About 2AM that night, Jeane was sleeping and I still lay in bed awake with my mind racing.  I get up out of bed being careful not to wake my sleeping beauty.  In a few minutes I was down in the casino.  I was beat, mentally exhausted but still thinking and trying to put together a weekend game plan. Now I had to change the plan because I knew I wasn't sleeping and wouldn’t be able to play worth a damn.

When I was in the casino I wanted to watch the craps tables and see if I could recognize any of the students from their throws.  I sat down at a quarter slot machine with a two-quarter max bet.  I chose this machine because it was in full view of all the craps tables and I figured I would put five dollars in it and play slowly. Trying to get time clocked on the machine while I watched. I did this for two reasons --future comps and I didn’t want to just be taking up casino space and look like I was just watching.  I figured I needed to try to do something to give us a possibility to get our rooms comped; I knew Jeane would get table time in.

While I was sitting there I saw a guy shooting on the crapless craps table with a beautiful toss.  He reminded me of the drawing in Sharpshooter’s book. I call it the Elvis picture of three stages of the throw. Later I would find out that this guy’s name Tommy Lohrke and was later able to meet his lovely wife Barbara.  I recognized him in class the next day and said hi and told him I enjoyed watching his throw and a friendship began.

About 5 AM I made my way back up to the room and quietly snuck back into bed waiting for the 7 am alarm to ring. A few hours later I was in class and looking at all 11 practice tables, most of them with shooting stations, and in the middle of the room was Dom's 14 foot craps table. Great setup guys!

The seminar started off and Billy the Kid was teaching the beginner’s course. I was amazed how deep he got into the dice info and how intense this one day seminar was. I didn’t take up any of the space with the dice coaches the first day because I knew I had time and many of the people were just starting out needed the one on one. I met a bunch of people that I knew from Dice [List Server] and received many compliments on my posts. It was a very humbling experience.

I was able to help a few people that were new to setting and explain the reasoning of the elbow position and why it affects the grip and keeping the dice square with the table on release. The coaches were all a blur this day as so many people had so many questions. It was a blast to watch.

That night and the next day I don’t remember a lot. I was having some problems focusing because my neck and back were so stiff it was affecting my oxygen intake. Sorry.

Now my overview of the total seminar.

One of the things that I thought was great was the way it was set up. We were not only getting lessons to better our skill, but the way it was set up with the coaches going over and re- enforcing the same lessons the next day helps with the muscle memory. To me that was a major factor in how these lessons will hold up over the long run.

Coaches that love this game taught every one of the students; these coaches love to shoot.  They love to teach what they have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours learning. These coaches want to teach; they want to share. 

I got to see many of them in live casino action [on the nights of the seminars]. They looked physically and mentally exhausted. Honestly they should have been in bed, but, hey, they wanted to be at the tables playing their game and visiting with their coaching buddies that they don’t get to see that often. Here is what amazed me. I watched Frank, Dom, Billy the Kid, Tenor, Jake and Howard Newman shoot. 

They all shoot slightly different, some from SR some from SL and some were out one position and even in the second and third position form the stick. They all still shot consistently.  The dice traveled straight with slight backspin.  Their dice landed together. My point here is consistency. They were all consistent; they all had soft touches.  Some had longer rolls than others; some were throwing more repeater numbers than others, but all were consistent.   Some of the coaches used the Hardway set; others used the 3V or 2V set.  I have no doubt that all these coaches are long-term winners at the game of craps.  They are the result of much practice and much discipline. They are the teachers of our Harvard-level Craps course.

Most of them have the revs down to a science.  I am grateful I got to meet you all and watch you play this wonderful game.

5-Count:

Jeane and I used the 5-Count for the first time this weekend.  One time at a table at Sam’s Town we were at the table for nearly four hours and only made two bets each.  The 5-Count takes all the guess work out.  The dice tell you what is going on. They tell you what numbers even a random roller is shooting as a signature and where to put your money.

I have said I was nervous this weekend.  I want to go deeper into that.

I have posted on the web about my practicing and what my SRR is at home. I have tried to show openly and honestly who I am.  I wanted to throw in Tunica like I can and do at home. I put a lot of pressure on myself. The whole time I felt like every one of my throws looked bad. Everyone had a beautiful throw and I was shooting worse than random. Jeane counted my throws at Sam’s Town one day that I was totally disgusted with myself. My SRR was in the 9s. It didn’t matter to me .All I could hear was myself telling myself I sucked. Many people do not realize how much of shooting is in the mind.

Dom said something the last night that I saw him that brought this all home for me.

Lance had walked up behind me and started to put up his money, I begged Lance to use the 5-Count on me. You guessed it, bam, seven out. Dom told me I talked myself into it happening and he is correct.

I watched Frank shooting that night as well. Frank’s shot is a thing of beauty.   I will describe it here.

Frank breathes slow and steady as he sets the dice and grips them. That is his first count or step one. Then he, in a slow swinging motion, brings his right arm out and targets his landing area while at the same time he is squaring the dice and zoning in. Step 3 is his slow controlled pivoting motion of his arm back and forward to his release point and he has a slight wrist flick at the end of his toss.

The dice leave his had together with minor back spin and land gently in his desired target area. I know al this because this is the exact toss I started with back when I was shooting with an SRR in the low teens and then changed to better and battle myself.

Dom showed me his shot in class as well. It took me a while to get the correct release in my head but once I got it I was able to nail his shot with tight dice and consistency. All the coaches told me to slow down with my throw and they were all correct. I knew it and took everything to heart.

Many of you that read this should know that the mental part of the game is important.

Frank’s throw is the throw that I used about six months ago in practice. I went in our practice room this morning and tried to do it again so that I could see down the table. I have to stand on one leg to do it but here is what happened.

Stick right left hand: 38 throws before a seven showed.  I threw 16 eights and 11 sixes. I threw 3 fours and  2 nines and 6 fives. My seven was a 5:2  and I threw 9 hardways.

Stick left with my right hand: 21 rolls before the seven.  First three throws were hard 8s .....I threw 10 sixes, two were hardways, 6 eights, three of them were hardways. I threw one ten and 4 nines.  The seven was a 6:1.

I know this doesn’t mean anything as far as SRR count but I am trying to say that when your head is right, and you are practice, it can come together. Without being right in the head, we are just dooming ourselves.

I want to say this was a great, great, great seminar. I am very glad to have made it there.

Jeane and I ended up getting all the rooms comped. Frank called the host for me and actually got the seminar days comped.  He did this on the phone while I was standing there. Watching him do that blew me away. The day before we left, Jeane found how you can check your bill on TV. We did that and the day we left we checked it and say we had only two nights to pay for. We were thrilled! Then I got to thinking that it didn’t cost anything to call the host and thank her and see if maybe our last couple of days play would be worth anything. The host comped us both nights as well.. WOW! 

Did I deserve those comps? No way!  Did the 5-Count help Jeane and I get rated for longer table time with much less risk?  Absolutely.  We only paid for two meals while in Tunica. We made enough at the tables to get that back and cover our gas for the trip.  The Tunica casinos are beautiful. At night when you are driving around from one casino to another they are all lit up with colorful lights.  It is surreal for me to see this kind of stuff.  I love the lights and all the colors.

Jeane and I both learned a lot, and again I want to thank everyone for their help and kindness.

You are all a great group of people that I am proud to call my family.

I think anyone can become a better shooter, no matter what level of skill you have, and I firmly believe that GTC is the best of the best.  They are the Harvard of dice control seminars.  Having the class in the casino hotel was brilliant! Please, if possible, continue to do that.

Thanks for reading,
Don



Here's some comments about our web site.

silverback - 09:51pm Jul 19, 2007 PT
GTC Graduate

Took my first class in AC last March. I was H-U-N-G-R-Y!!

I've followed all of the GTC guidance while developing my own style. Most of all I've been practicing diligently. Along the way I've gotten some excellent advice from these boards and personally from a few veterans like Billy The Kid and Packrat.

I'm happy to say that the tide has begun to turn. After I hit my initial goal of SRR 1/7, I stopped recording my practice rolls and focused on integrating a complete practice game with betting and modified sets based upon the behavior of my dice. This really helped me get smooth with adjusting my shot in real time, placing my bets and keeping track of my payouts.

I've also been working a lot on my mental game and choosing good table conditions. I don't get rattled as easily by players or crews, and I'm now able to stay focused in adverse situations by using breathing techniques and meditation.

It's all starting to come together now, my winning sessions are outnumbering my loosing sessions, and I had a 40+ roll last night at Tr&ump M@arina for the first time, cashing out up over 60%!

Wow what a feeling!!! I'm very grateful for all of the knowledge, instruction and patience shown to me by the GTC gang, this is truly turning into an adventure. I'm building my 401g and the stress of winning / loosing is nearly absent since I can treat my bankroll like it is monopoly money.

When my dice look good, I can now stay focused and stay in the zone. When my dice look bad, I can take breaks, move on to a different table/casino, make some adjustments and try again. That late drive home when I've cashed out in the positive is truly a nice feeling.

I've settled on a betting strategy that is working really well. When I bet on myself or another controlled shooter, I use a combination of place bets on the 6/8 and come bets with double odds to get up on four numbers. After 6 hits I'm in the black and I start to press. I keep telling myself "I'm going ALL the way up this time!!". I'm finally seeing rolls when I'm pressing up to max odds, then spreading out to all the numbers, something I could only dream of in my pre-GTC days.

When I'm betting on random rollers, I use the 5-count, place the 6 & 8 for the table minimums, and start pressing after 4 hits. I'm avoiding a ton of horrendous rolls and watch lots of players go bust while I endure.

By the end of my 40+ roll last night at the Marina I had all 6 numbers covered in come bets with max odds (5X), with player-controlled $3 dealer bets on the 6/8, and both the crew and I were having a rocking time! I'm looking forward to many more sessions like that, and its nice to see that long hours of practice, sticking to low house edge bets, and tipping guidance I learned from GTC starting to pay off.

I still feel like a beginner, and am amazed at the ability of some of the veterans to alter their shot and sets based upon conditions and the behavior of their dice. It's exciting to know that I have so much more to learn.

Thanks to the whole GTC crew for sharing this knowledge, I feel like I've been given a leg up on becoming an advantage player without having to go through years of "The School of Hard Knocks."

sliverback


Thomas - Sept. 2, 2007 PT

I just read two of your and Frank's books and found them super helpful.

I practice about 20 minutes a day on my tosses and sets at my office and when I went to Tahoe last weekend, I only got to roll twice, but when I did, had a 17 length roll followed by a 16 length roll. I used the hard way set. I also used the 5-count, and basically didn't bet on anyone who rattled the dice around in their hands. Thanks a lot for saving me some money and making craps more enjoyable!

  Best,

  Thomas


I'm just back from taking the advanced class in Vegas. I want to thank GTC and in particular BillyTheKid and NoFieldFive for an excellent experience.

I arrived a legend in my own mind. Within 30 minutes, the instructors had identified a fatal flaw in my shot and proceeded to break me down and redevelop my "A" shot. It was a humbling experience, but they soon had me up and running with a new and improved shot, and I was able to progress pretty rapidly through the rest of the class, which involved learning how to adjust my "A" shot with trajectory and rotation for different surfaces, including microfiber.

It was a humbling experience, but I want to get better and they want me to be better so I definitely got my money's worth.

After I got home I plugged my Vegas sessions into my spreadsheet model and I'm happy to announce that after 2+ years of learning how to shoot, practice, manage my bankroll, bet, and tip the GTC way, I am officially a winner! My monthly take trend just crossed the zero axis into the positive!

The proof is in the pudding, GTC methods work if you are patient, teachable and willing to practice! Thanks to Frank, Dom, Billy, Daryl and the whole GTC crew for teaching me how to win at the game of craps.

- silverback


First, my thanks to Pit Boss and Mr. Finesse. Together they did a terrific job of identifying the errors of my toss and reshaping it to a winning form. A much needed boost to a disappointed sagging spirit. The tune-up is a great pick-me-me between attending other seminars on dice control. I feel more confident in attacking the casinos and want to build on this weekends success before taking the Advanced Class.

Secondly, success!! I had a roll of 30! at an off strip casino on Sunday. I made one point number quickly and then had a second point to make. Rolling all other numbers over the major portion of the roll I was unable to repeat my number but with the good betting advice from GTC that was all it took to regain my bank and a small plus. I was actually surprised when I cashed in to have won back my "down" for the trip. Although no accolades from the other players they could not have helped making a nice win on that roll.

This all came about as a result of searching for the right conditions, that is, going to other casinos, playing their tables and learning what the differences are and taking advantage of the conditions when they're right. It was like the "the lights came on", the table was especially conducive to the throw-what you want to see in a table; absolutely no heat or hint of it; inner calm and focus; confident and relaxed when throwing-AKA "the Zone". Now I know what to look for.

Prior to this event I was feeling that I was indeed "going through" the process, having limited success but no real fireworks. Patience and work paid off. This venue -solar coast-I almost didn't go to that day preferring to go to the "color rado rock". Going on the notion of not leaving no stone unturned to satisfy the search of a hospitable environment I am now anxious to return to the solarcoast and the other affiliated shoreline establishments. It was a great find and made all the difference in the world!

So the journey continues by small steps and large. And thanks again to Mr Finesse and PitBoss for the helping hand. And thanks to the GTC organization that makes it all happen.

(p.s.)Was that Meet and Great a hoot or what?!!!! Great Idea.

- GTC student

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